….arguably closely matched when it came to dribbling skills and goal
scoring ability. However, Cruiffs zonal awareness i.e. his passing and
movement on the pitch and leadership qualities are without equal. There was
and is simply no player in the world who thinks faster on the pitch than
Cruiff, If Cruiff and the other 3 would have played in one team, each
player at the peak of his abilities, Cruiff would most likely have been the
leader. In my opinion Cruiff was overall the best ever.
@salvi1979 Let´s not put words in someone else´s mouth shall we? We both
know I never stated or implied that Cruiff was the only big player to
influence football. I did however state that his contribution to football
was bigger than any other player. The bottom line is that I disputed your
claim that other players were bigger than Cruiff and you have not been able
to refute any of my arguments about Cruiff’s superiority in terms of
leadership, zonal awareness and his legacy. Have a nice day too.
@salvi1979 That’s right, I’m countering with opinions but then again, so
are you. It’s irrefutable that Pele and those others won world cups but
it’s a highly refutable opinion that they are the best coz they won those
world cups.You still have not been able to answer the 3 specific questions
I posed to you previously, let alone refute the points I raised in those
questions. You’r entitled to your opinion but the fact you can’t answer
those questions raises serious doubts about your claim.
@jaybloke100a This entire post was subjective opinion and nothing more.
i always hate how they always forget to put cruyff in the same list as
maradona and pele he deserves it!!!
@salvi1979 …..answering my questions. So what if Cruiff did not win a
World Cup? He was far more influential for the victories of his teams than
Pele was for the victories of Brazil. Sure, they both scored a lot of goals
but only Cruiff, and nobody else, had such an incredible control on a
match. Up to this day, nobody has a better sense of his team mates
positions on the pitch while an attack is happening. Nobody makes his team
mates around him play better than Cruiff. Not Pele, not……
@salvi1979 Your point about my argument on total football would have had
merit if I had argued that Cruiff´s or any other player’s superiority
depended on him winning a World Cup but that´s not what I argued is it? You
place emphasis on World Cups won, but I say that the legacy a player leaves
to the whole world and his individual qualities as a player are far more
important for determining the best overall player. I have already explained
why Cruiff is the best based on his individual……
Totally agree. For me It’s all about how you win
the way cruyff and his teammates talk it seems like they were arrogant
ahead of wc final. deserved to lose that final for disrespecting opponent.
@jaybloke100a the problem with your argument is that “total football” from
the dutch never won in fact it lost 3 Finals and a couple more deep WC runs
from the dutch…I cant put that above people that actually were successful
in the tournament of tournaments the World Cup.
Pele, Maradonna and Zidane are great players. But Cruyff created total
football and changed the game forever. There’s no argueing that Cruyff is
the greatest.
…..it’s not the number of World Cups won that makes a player the best
ever in my estimation, it’s his effect on the world of football next to his
individual talent that makes him the best. Cruiff has infuenced trainers,
players and the game in general unlike any player before or after him.
That’s why I call Cruiff the best.
The joke is on you buddy because you’r clearly grasping at straws
here….First you said that I implied that Cruiff was the only big player
to influence football, which is factually untrue, and when I adress this
issue you imply that I try to pass of opinions as facts. Very strange. I
never presented my opinions as facts. I know the difference between fact
and opinion, do you? Now how can I refute someone by stating another
opinion? Very simple, by supporting my opinion with arguments which….
@salvi1979 “…so save it because I will never ever change my mind
especially with the weak argument you are bringing…” Not mad huh, well
I’m glad to see you can still laugh. LOL. Anyway, thank you for your reply.
Your argument is not difficult to understand. If you read back my earliest
posts you will see that I wrote that I too think that Cruiff and the others
are a close match in terms of dribbling and scoring. Where we disagree is
that they are comparable in terms of vision…..
@tokyopp well said mate.
dramatic final 74
@jaybloke100a What arguments are needed to counter a opinion? LOL You
simply think Influence overshadows winning…I think Winning is the
ultimate influence. And as for Total Football…Cruyff was the best at
playing Total Football….but he didnt invent it that was Mr Reynolds and
even he got it from Hungary in the early 1900’s….do your research bro LOL
Lijkt me een domme man, maar voetballen kon ie wel
Good luck to you sir on that and goodbye.
“We knew we were much better.” Contrast that attitude to Beckenbauer – who
said later that the teams were “about equal”. It’s that attitude in 1994
that led to Barca’s defeat to Milan. You have to respect your opponent
sometimes.
Pep Guardiola sounds very reverential whenever he speaks about Cruyff….we
can easily see why! Pep has fully internalized Johan’s philosophy and add
his own methods and courage to make current Barca probably the best club
side ever! Messi may not be heir-apparent to any of the greatest
players……he’s simply original and may be the greatest ever in another 3
yrs time!
At the end who did the guy mention? I heard Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, and
someone else.
to be great, u have to prove ur self in the world cup holding ur team on ur
shoulder like maradona zidane pele ronaldo (the phenomeno) messi have
difficulties against italian teams and big teams in the world cup he is in
alower stage or level among those players
@salvi1979 LOL Are you getting mad over an internet debate? Calm down son
hahaha. As far as the 3 questions are concerned, I will repeat them
again.1) Did Pele or any other player have greater leadership skills than
Cruiff and if so, why? 2) Did any player have more zonal awareness than
Cruiff and if so, why? 3) Did any of them leave a greater legacy to the
entire world than Cruiffs total football and if so, why? If my arguments
for Cruiff being the greatest are so weak then you won’t mind…..
….arguably closely matched when it came to dribbling skills and goal
scoring ability. However, Cruiffs zonal awareness i.e. his passing and
movement on the pitch and leadership qualities are without equal. There was
and is simply no player in the world who thinks faster on the pitch than
Cruiff, If Cruiff and the other 3 would have played in one team, each
player at the peak of his abilities, Cruiff would most likely have been the
leader. In my opinion Cruiff was overall the best ever.
@salvi1979 Let´s not put words in someone else´s mouth shall we? We both
know I never stated or implied that Cruiff was the only big player to
influence football. I did however state that his contribution to football
was bigger than any other player. The bottom line is that I disputed your
claim that other players were bigger than Cruiff and you have not been able
to refute any of my arguments about Cruiff’s superiority in terms of
leadership, zonal awareness and his legacy. Have a nice day too.
@salvi1979 That’s right, I’m countering with opinions but then again, so
are you. It’s irrefutable that Pele and those others won world cups but
it’s a highly refutable opinion that they are the best coz they won those
world cups.You still have not been able to answer the 3 specific questions
I posed to you previously, let alone refute the points I raised in those
questions. You’r entitled to your opinion but the fact you can’t answer
those questions raises serious doubts about your claim.
@jaybloke100a This entire post was subjective opinion and nothing more.
i always hate how they always forget to put cruyff in the same list as
maradona and pele he deserves it!!!
@salvi1979 …..answering my questions. So what if Cruiff did not win a
World Cup? He was far more influential for the victories of his teams than
Pele was for the victories of Brazil. Sure, they both scored a lot of goals
but only Cruiff, and nobody else, had such an incredible control on a
match. Up to this day, nobody has a better sense of his team mates
positions on the pitch while an attack is happening. Nobody makes his team
mates around him play better than Cruiff. Not Pele, not……
@salvi1979 Your point about my argument on total football would have had
merit if I had argued that Cruiff´s or any other player’s superiority
depended on him winning a World Cup but that´s not what I argued is it? You
place emphasis on World Cups won, but I say that the legacy a player leaves
to the whole world and his individual qualities as a player are far more
important for determining the best overall player. I have already explained
why Cruiff is the best based on his individual……
Totally agree. For me It’s all about how you win
the way cruyff and his teammates talk it seems like they were arrogant
ahead of wc final. deserved to lose that final for disrespecting opponent.
@jaybloke100a the problem with your argument is that “total football” from
the dutch never won in fact it lost 3 Finals and a couple more deep WC runs
from the dutch…I cant put that above people that actually were successful
in the tournament of tournaments the World Cup.
Pele, Maradonna and Zidane are great players. But Cruyff created total
football and changed the game forever. There’s no argueing that Cruyff is
the greatest.
…..it’s not the number of World Cups won that makes a player the best
ever in my estimation, it’s his effect on the world of football next to his
individual talent that makes him the best. Cruiff has infuenced trainers,
players and the game in general unlike any player before or after him.
That’s why I call Cruiff the best.
The joke is on you buddy because you’r clearly grasping at straws
here….First you said that I implied that Cruiff was the only big player
to influence football, which is factually untrue, and when I adress this
issue you imply that I try to pass of opinions as facts. Very strange. I
never presented my opinions as facts. I know the difference between fact
and opinion, do you? Now how can I refute someone by stating another
opinion? Very simple, by supporting my opinion with arguments which….
@salvi1979 “…so save it because I will never ever change my mind
especially with the weak argument you are bringing…” Not mad huh, well
I’m glad to see you can still laugh. LOL. Anyway, thank you for your reply.
Your argument is not difficult to understand. If you read back my earliest
posts you will see that I wrote that I too think that Cruiff and the others
are a close match in terms of dribbling and scoring. Where we disagree is
that they are comparable in terms of vision…..
@tokyopp well said mate.
dramatic final 74
@jaybloke100a What arguments are needed to counter a opinion? LOL You
simply think Influence overshadows winning…I think Winning is the
ultimate influence. And as for Total Football…Cruyff was the best at
playing Total Football….but he didnt invent it that was Mr Reynolds and
even he got it from Hungary in the early 1900’s….do your research bro LOL
Lijkt me een domme man, maar voetballen kon ie wel
Good luck to you sir on that and goodbye.
“We knew we were much better.” Contrast that attitude to Beckenbauer – who
said later that the teams were “about equal”. It’s that attitude in 1994
that led to Barca’s defeat to Milan. You have to respect your opponent
sometimes.
Pep Guardiola sounds very reverential whenever he speaks about Cruyff….we
can easily see why! Pep has fully internalized Johan’s philosophy and add
his own methods and courage to make current Barca probably the best club
side ever! Messi may not be heir-apparent to any of the greatest
players……he’s simply original and may be the greatest ever in another 3
yrs time!
At the end who did the guy mention? I heard Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, and
someone else.
to be great, u have to prove ur self in the world cup holding ur team on ur
shoulder like maradona zidane pele ronaldo (the phenomeno) messi have
difficulties against italian teams and big teams in the world cup he is in
alower stage or level among those players
@salvi1979 LOL Are you getting mad over an internet debate? Calm down son
hahaha. As far as the 3 questions are concerned, I will repeat them
again.1) Did Pele or any other player have greater leadership skills than
Cruiff and if so, why? 2) Did any player have more zonal awareness than
Cruiff and if so, why? 3) Did any of them leave a greater legacy to the
entire world than Cruiffs total football and if so, why? If my arguments
for Cruiff being the greatest are so weak then you won’t mind…..
eusebio